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It is based on classical astrological concepts. Like many therapists and
astrologers, Zinnel and Orban imagine a whole theatrical company of
sub-personalities within each of us. Speaking astrologically, everyone has a
Venus-personality, a Mars-personality, a Saturn-personality, etc.

Orban and Zinnel have discovered that the horoscope for the moment at which the
Sun first traverses the position of Mars in the birth chart is an expression of
the sub-personality corresponding to Mars. Like a solar horoscope, the chart for
this moment can be interpreted as a “natal chart” for that
person’s Mars-personality, the Mars persona chart.

One can calculate a chart for each of the nine planets, from the Moon to Pluto.
The persona chart for the Sun is the natal chart itself. There are bound to be
astrologers in the future who will who will set up Chiron personas, personas for
the Moon’s nodes, the ascendant and so on. The fascinating thing about
persona charts is that the basic idea is so convincing – that in passing,
the Sun awakens the sub-personalities.

Interpreting Persona Charts

Here is a very short guide to the interpretation of persona charts, according to
Orban and Zinnel.

The Moon Persona Chart
The feminine in us, our feeling worlds, the inner child, emotional security.
This tells us a lot about the inner life of a person.

The Mercury Persona Chart
Outward mobility, articulation, intelligence, communicating with the outer
world, dealing with daily necessity.

The Venus Persona Chart
Joy in the senses, Eros and sexual pleasure, sensual delight, the way we relate
to other people, problems we might have to deal with in relationships.

The Mars Persona Chart
The inner warrior, self-assertion, how one takes a stand, the kinds of battles
one fights, with what means one fights them and to what purpose.

The Jupiter Persona Chart
The meaning of life, the inner therapist, where we put the
“religion” in our lives.

The Saturn Persona Chart
The law, our mission in life, things fate wants to teach us and things we
don’t like to learn.

The Uranus Persona Chart
Where to let go, where to be free, and where we find the “fool” and
“jester”.

The Neptune Persona Chart
The search for truth, pushing past falsehood to what lies beyond.

The Pluto Persona Chart
The battle with demons, with forces that want to keep us from life. Fixed images
and ideologies.

When working with persona charts, one should bear the following points in mind:


1) The most important sub-personality is the “Ruler of 1”. For
example, anyone with an ascendant in Libra should take a good look at their
Venus persona chart. The persona chart for the planet which rules the ascendant
can give us a lot of insight.

2) The persona chart for the Moon tells us about the feminine energies of a
person. Just as the natal chart is the Sun-persona chart or Yang-chart, so the
Moon persona chart is the Yin-chart. In this sense it is the horoscope of the
anima, the feminine counterpart. Tuning in to her means going in search of her
story.

3) The ascendant of a persona chart leads us deeply into the unconscious. It
shows where the unconscious strives toward the light.

4) The Sun in a persona chart is regarded as the ego of the sub-personality. Not
as THE EGO!! Saturn too has an “ego”, a will-to-be. The persona-ego
is always partly familiar, since the Sun occupies the zodiacal degree of the
planet involved. However, there is no way in which we can tell which house it
will be in. This tells us considerably more about how the sub-personality will
behave.

5) The midheaven (MC) of the persona-chart shows the fate of the
sub-personality. At the same time, it represents the quintessence of the path to
be taken, from the (subconscious) ascendant to the “Light of
Consciousness” at the midheaven. One cannot tell how far each person will
go, since this seems to depend on the intensity of the individual effort.
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Do we all actually know what each one means? Well in a positive way its simply complex. Each is a distinct personality of our own. Here is a quick description:
Our system of persona charts consists of twelve inner personalities. But they can relate to each other, and these relations turn into independent personalities themselves. If each archetype, each individual personality relates to one other archetype, we get 66 different individual personalities. (And with relations of three, there are already 220.)
Here are our basic twelve:

Personality 1: "The warrior"
If I want to know more about the strength of my warrior, or my capability to assert myself in the world aggressively, about my way of fighting, whether I am a coward or a hero, what I find worth fighting for and by what means - I look at my Mars persona chart.

Personality 2: "The beauty"
If I want to know more about my security or insecurities, my values and self-worth, my sensuality, my sexual desire and my general capability to enjoy - I look at my Venus persona chart.

Personality 3: "The intellectual"
If I want to know more about my flexibility, about my (verbal and mimic) interaction with the outer world, about my way of functioning, my communicative competence, my intelligence - I look at my Mercury persona chart.

Personality 4: "The mother" ("The little child")
If I want to know more about my femininity, my feelings, my inner child and my feeling of security and comfort, i.e. the feminine part of my psyche - I look at my Moon persona chart. We consider this persona chart (beside the birth chart) the most important instrument for exploring a person's inner world.

Personality 5: "The hero" ("The father")
If I want to know more about my vitality, my Ego, the life force inside me - I need to look at my Sun persona chart. But, in fact, I have got it already, as it is my birth horoscope!

Personality 6: "Reason" ("The reprimanding person")
If I want to know more about my way of dealing with the necessities and constraints of life, about the circumstances I have to adapt to, and about the things I have to accept - I look at my Mercury persona chart (which is identical with the persona chart of person 3).

Personality 7: "The other"
If I want to know more about my relationship with other people, with partners, and with the world - I must look at my Venus persona chart (the same as for person 2).

Personality 8: "The fanatic"
If I want to know more about the way I can deal with the demonic, with the god of the underworld, with the forces which want to prevent me from living - I must look at my Pluto persona chart.

Personality 9: "The philosopher"
If I want to know more about the meaningfulness of my life, about the therapist inside me, about the role "religio" plays in my life - I take a look at my Jupiter persona chart.

Personality 10: "The old man or woman" ("The guardian of the law")
If I want to know more about "law", about my higher calling, my vocation or about the truths fate wants to teach me (which I do not want to learn) - I look at my Saturn persona chart.

Personality 11: "The liberator"
If I want to know more about the area of my life in which I must free myself from ties, about my way of realising liberty and independence - I look at my Uranus persona chart.

Personality 12: "The master"
If I want to know more about the transition from lie to truth, about the world of "maya", of illusion, and about how to transcend illusion to get to the world behind the world - I look at my Neptune persona chart.

The rest is on this page: http://www.astro.com/astrology/1in_person_e.htm

And if you want an example of a nine persona chart diagram:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?n...=2006&rs=&orbp =&cid=ru4file0SAjIa-u1123555974〈=e&gm=a1&ast=

My favourite persona chart is my Moon Persona Chart because I have Ascendant Cancer, Moon in Leo, my tenth house is Pisces Cusp with a Sun in pisces and venus in aries in the 10th house.

This is a great way of getting to know yourself.
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Old 26-07-2011, 07:00   #18
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A ako uradim npr. moon persona chart, sta ili ko bi bile ostale planete i kako se tumace aspekti s njima, kuce i dr?
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uradila sam Venus chart,buduci da ja zaista volim sve vezano za lepotu,...bilo sminka,fotografija,lep enterijer,dizajn,odeca,vezbanje itd.... I dobila sam Veneru u Vodoliji u sestoj kuci,pride vladar Saturn u Jarcu u petoj kuci ( ! ) , peta kuca u Jarcu i Merkur,Uran,Neptun,Saturn u jarcu, i jedva moje sunce na 2 stepena Vodolije...moram da priznam da sam ocekivala neki drugi znak da vlada mojim osecajem za lepo od Jarca
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Uradila sam Venus chart za jednu osobu i mene, pa me zanima sta mislite. Da li ovaj muskarac ume da voli?

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=34t1sg6&s=7

A evo i moje (skoro pa ista kao njegova....)

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=etxil5&s=7

Vidim da su nam dispozitori u trigonu, mozda bi to moglo da izvuce stvar?
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ala meni se ovo ne svidja ja uradila za veneru i ona iz vage ode u skorpiju

e sad
da li gledamo i ostale planete u posebnim kartama npr u ovoj karti venere i da li svi ovi novi ascedenti imaju ikakvo znacenje kao i vrhovi kuca
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ala meni se ovo ne svidja ja uradila za veneru i ona iz vage ode u skorpiju

e sad
da li gledamo i ostale planete u posebnim kartama npr u ovoj karti venere i da li svi ovi novi ascedenti imaju ikakvo znacenje kao i vrhovi kuca
Sve se gleda ~ potpuno nov čart, bilo koji da je u pitanju. Svaki persona čart pokazuje jedan deo tvoje ličnosti. Evo, ovde piskarala nešto o tome
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hvala smile nasla sam ja to jos juce i citala st asi pisala

ali me interesuje u npr. mesecevoj karti ...ostale planete sa kojima mesec nije u aspektu , ne ynam kako da ih tumacim
ovo sa mesecom ok
npr. u mesecevoj karti meni je sunce u lavu u 1 kuci gde mije i ascedent, to me odma privuklo kad sam je otvorila pa bi to bilo dominantno u emocionalnoj karti licnosti kod mene , sto bi moglo znaciti da ja jednim delom emocije iskazujem kao lav otvoreno i srdacno ali da sam dosta konentrisana na sebe i da mi je za osecaj srece na neki nacin bitna samopotvrda mene kao mene same, to me cini srecnom ili pak da sam svojeglava i sebicna u nekim trenutcima jer je koncentracija na 1 kuci ....to mi ej jasno

al mi nije jasno kako da gledam neku dr planetu koja nije u u glu i nije u aspektu sa mesecom st aona predstavlja u ovoj karti

znas nije mi jasno kako ja mogu da gledam neku planetu karijere ili pak prijatelja koja nije povezana sa mesecom a da ima veze sa mojim osecanjima
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juce sam svaku kartu analizirala kao da j enatalna ppa mi se opsta konfuzija stvorila u glavi
ja bih se kod ovih karata bazirala samo na planete u uglovima i u aspektu sa suncem koji zamenjuje odredjenu planetu to mi je logicno a ostale me planete zbunjuju ..eto
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ovo je jako zanimljivo, nisam ni razmišljala odmah sam si napravila pluton persona chart. u toj karti pluton mi je u konjukciji sa suncem i sve to zajedno ukliješteno u 3. kući... a kvadrata u chartu ko u priči, nekih desetak i više... sama venera mi radi 4 kvadrata, mars isto i to sve sa istim planetima, a ve i ma u opoziciji... mogu li biti kompliciranija nego šta jesam
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hvala smile nasla sam ja to jos juce i citala st asi pisala

ali me interesuje u npr. mesecevoj karti ...ostale planete sa kojima mesec nije u aspektu , ne ynam kako da ih tumacim
ovo sa mesecom ok
npr. u mesecevoj karti meni je sunce u lavu u 1 kuci gde mije i ascedent, to me odma privuklo kad sam je otvorila pa bi to bilo dominantno u emocionalnoj karti licnosti kod mene , sto bi moglo znaciti da ja jednim delom emocije iskazujem kao lav otvoreno i srdacno ali da sam dosta konentrisana na sebe i da mi je za osecaj srece na neki nacin bitna samopotvrda mene kao mene same, to me cini srecnom ili pak da sam svojeglava i sebicna u nekim trenutcima jer je koncentracija na 1 kuci ....to mi ej jasno

al mi nije jasno kako da gledam neku dr planetu koja nije u u glu i nije u aspektu sa mesecom st aona predstavlja u ovoj karti

znas nije mi jasno kako ja mogu da gledam neku planetu karijere ili pak prijatelja koja nije povezana sa mesecom a da ima veze sa mojim osecanjima
jesam zakomlikovala

juce sam svaku kartu analizirala kao da j enatalna ppa mi se opsta konfuzija stvorila u glavi
ja bih se kod ovih karata bazirala samo na planete u uglovima i u aspektu sa suncem koji zamenjuje odredjenu planetu to mi je logicno a ostale me planete zbunjuju ..eto
A zašto bi povezivala samo aspekte koje ima Mesec? Tj zašto u Mesečevoj karti gledaš karijeru, kada je to karta koja pokazuje tvoje emocije prvenstveno, kao što Venerin čart ukazuje na ljubav... Persona čart pobliže objašnjava samo delove naše ličnosti, sve ostalo imaš u svom natalu, a ovo ti dodje samo kao "šlag na torti"

Svaku persona kartu tumačiš kao natal. Nisu bitne samo planete u uglovima, već sve. Jednostavno svaku persona kartu tumačiš kao da je nečiji natal u pitanju, koristiš sve planete i sve aspekte
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Ja sam nedavno uradila "mars persona chart" i šlogirala se, blago rečeno
Bivši mi se uklopio u taj chart, sve planete i znaci su bili isti sem sunca. Njegov mars je čak bio na istom stepenu kao mars u mom chartu! I mesec u ribama u konjukciji.
Sad sam upoznala još jednog momka koji je rođen nekoliko dana posle bivšeg i isto se uklapa u moj mars chart jer su opet planete i znakovi isti, sem sunca i meseca ovaj put, ali njegova venera je egzaktno na veneri mog mars charta. Sad znam koji mesec i koja generacija su mi suđeni
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